Can no longer jump to a specific position in a document/window

Bug #752338 reported by Stuart Langridge
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Bug Description

It is currently possible to middle-click in the scrollbar gutter to make the thumb jump directly to that point.

It turns out that I use this more than I thought I did!

I use it for long documents; if I want to jump to the end of a long document, I mouse over the bottom part of the gutter and middle-click to jump right there.

With the new ayatana scrollbars, I have to mouse-over the thumb where it currently is, and then drag the thumb to the bottom of the gutter.

The process used to be: mouse to bottom of gutter (one mouse move, and the bottom of the gutter is in a fixed position in the window), middle-click (one mouse-click), done.
Now it's: look for the thumb (which requires thought), mouse to the thumb so the big thumb appears (one mouse move), drag the thumb to the bottom of the window (one mouse click, followed by another mouse move). And because you're not going straight from point-to-point, but going through all the points in between, it's also slower because the application needs to update the view of the document many times as you're dragging.

See the attached video for a graphical demonstration of the problem.

Sadly, I don't have a good proposal for fixing this. :(

Tags: design
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Stuart Langridge (sil) wrote :
Andrea Cimitan (cimi)
tags: added: design
Andrea Cimitan (cimi)
Changed in ayatana-scrollbar:
status: New → Opinion
importance: Undecided → Wishlist
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Christian Giordano (nuthinking) wrote :

The main problem for this is discoverability. Given the small number of people who might use it, and miss it, it could be added as patch (not by default).

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Andrea Cimitan (cimi) wrote :

...and a patch is welcome :-D

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Sebastien Bacher (seb128) wrote :

changing to new, setting bugs to opinion without any comment is not a way to deal with bug report, could you at least give some details on why you consider it an opinion rather than a bug?

Changed in ayatana-scrollbar:
status: Opinion → New
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Andrea Cimitan (cimi) wrote :

first of all they're not out of track: we (me, christian and mark) are sharing the list of the bugs which are tagged with "design". So, leave this as Opinion, will mark to new if we decide to implement the feature with the appropriate design. But don't worry, everything is on track!

Changed in ayatana-scrollbar:
status: New → Opinion
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quent57 (quent57) wrote :

Another use case :

Use case :
I read big firefox page, or big pdf document with a fullscreen window.
I want to go up/down very fast (overview the document), wheel is to slow, I want navigate faster.

What I use to do
I bring my mouse on the right of the screen without look.,
I click on the whell, and hold
I go up/down.

Now :
I have to look for the orange thing.
I bring my cursor over it,
I bring my cursor over the scroll bar
I left clic and hold
I go up/down

It's a bit annoying.

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Paul Nadj (pnadj) wrote :

Another related issue that should probably be included here rather than have it's own bug number: one can no longer left click in the gutter to do a page up or page down (or left/right for horizontal scrolling). Apparently I use this pretty much for everything.

On a conventional scrollbar, when the slider is short relative to the length of the window edge, it is much more convenient to simply click anywhere above/below (or left/right) of the slider to page up/down, scroll the wheel to read a bit, click a bit more to move more quickly, etc.

With this new scrollbar, clicking in the gutter does nothing.

Coupled with #778157, I find the GUI un-usable and was surprised these new scrollbar was included in the classic desktop. The classic desktop did not have this; it's a bit of false advertising.

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pablomme (pablomme) wrote :

What I suggested in bug #859286 (which has just been marked as duplicate) was to add a shortcut for scroll-to-top/bottom via right-clicking on the up/down button in the scrollbar widget. This is probably the most common case of scrolling to a specific position, requires no additional design and should be easy to implement, but of course doesn't cover the entire range of what this bug refers to.

Andrea Cimitan (cimi)
Changed in ayatana-scrollbar:
status: Opinion → In Progress
Andrea Cimitan (cimi)
Changed in ayatana-scrollbar:
status: In Progress → Fix Committed
Andrea Cimitan (cimi)
Changed in ayatana-scrollbar:
status: Fix Committed → Fix Released
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