In Wily libgtk-3-common pulls in adwaita-icon-theme which in return pulls in ubuntu-mono

According to apt-cache show, obconf needs:
libc, libcairo, libgdk-pixbuf, libglib, libgtk, liborender, libobt, libstartup-notification, libx11, libxml.

Among them, there are requirements for:
libfontconfig, libfreetype, libpixman, libpng, libxcb-render, libxcb-shm, libxcb, libxext, libxrender, zlib1g, libjasper, libjpeg, libtiff, libffi, libpcre, libselinux, libatk, libatk-bridge, libcups, libcolord, libpango, libpangocairo, libpangoft, libwayland-client, libwayland-cursor, libxcomposite, libxcursor, libxdamage, libxext, libxfixes, libxi, libxinerama, libxrandr, libxft, libpangoxft, librsvg, libimlib, liblzma,
with most of them seeming to come from libgtk itself.

And then they have their own dependencies.

So perhaps your assumptions are not correct? Have you checked every single dependency? If not, then I would not be concerned. Everything there looks normal to me, except perhaps ubuntu-mono.

Hello,

the amount installed:
"After this operation, 187 MB of additional disk space will be used."

allows me to think obconf has never pulled in so many packages and so much weight before. I don't know about each and one lib, I know some of them are needed, but what I first noticed was the themes I didn't ask for:

adwaita-icon-theme
humanity-icon-theme
and of course ubuntu-mono.

Knowing you work hard for the Lubuntu project, I would mention the same packages can be noticed in the Wily Lubuntu manifest:
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/15.10/release/lubuntu-15.10-desktop-i386.manifest

I suppose most of the libs shown by apt-cache which you quote are needed. I am not sure the following packages should be brought in by obconf:
libatk-bridge2.0-0 libatk1.0-0 libatk1.0-data libatspi2.0-0 (accessibility : I haven't seen anything related to accessibility in Openbox, in the latest changelogs? http://openbox.org/wiki/Openbox:Changelog )

If I am right about that, having the accessibility toolkit in a distribution using Openbox would be mostly pointless;

dconf-gsettings-backend : don't know where this one comes from;

and about all the "libdrm-*" I also wonder how they can be pulled in by the Openbox gui configuration tool:
"libdrm-amdgpu1 libdrm-intel1 libdrm-nouveau2 libdrm-radeon1 libegl1-mesa" (not that I would argue on their usefulness, but I'd not expect them to be brought in by a program such as obconf).

One more thing I notice, obconf is not a dependency for Openbox anymore, it's a recommend. This is new, and also very astonishing, though it won't prevent me from installing it.

But the "187 MB of additional disk space" will certainly be a stop for me to install it. This can also be very interesting to digg in, for Lubuntu which tries to stay low in size.

Best regards,
Mélodie

Seems like your issue originates in Debian:
https://packages.debian.org/jessie/obconf

also try `apt-rdepends obconf`.

mostly, gtk is to blame. of course, we're going away from gtk, so it's a non-issue for Lubuntu:

obconf
  Depends: libc6 (>= 2.4)
  Depends: libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4)
  Depends: libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0)
  Depends: libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.35.9)
  Depends: libgtk-3-0 (>= 3.0.0)
  Depends: libobrender32 (>= 3.6.0)
  Depends: libobt2 (>= 3.6.0)
  Depends: libstartup-notification0 (>= 0.2)
  Depends: libx11-6
  Depends: libxml2 (>= 2.7.4)
libc6
  Depends: libgcc1
libgcc1
  Depends: gcc-5-base (= 5.2.1-22ubuntu2)
  Depends: libc6 (>= 2.14)
gcc-5-base
libcairo2
  Depends: libc6 (>= 2.14)
  Depends: libfontconfig1 (>= 2.9.0)
  Depends: libfreetype6 (>= 2.3.5)
  Depends: libpixman-1-0 (>= 0.30.0)
  Depends: libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4)
  Depends: libx11-6
  Depends: libxcb-render0
  Depends: libxcb-shm0
  Depends: libxcb1 (>= 1.6)
  Depends: libxext6
  Depends: libxrender1
  Depends: zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4)
libfontconfig1
  Depends: fontconfig-config (= 2.11.1-0ubuntu6)
  Depends: libc6 (>= 2.14)
  Depends: libexpat1 (>= 2.0.1)
  Depends: libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1)
  PreDepends: multiarch-support
fontconfig-config
  Depends: fonts-dejavu-core
  Depends: fonts-freefont-ttf
  Depends: gsfonts-x11
  Depends: ttf-bitstream-vera
  Depends: ucf (>= 0.29)
fonts-dejavu-core
fonts-freefont-ttf
gsfonts-x11
  Depends: gsfonts (>= 6.0-2)
  Depends: xfonts-utils (>= 1:7.5+2)
gsfonts
xfonts-utils
  Depends: libc6 (>= 2.14)
  Depends: libfontenc1
  Depends: libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1)
  Depends: libxfont1 (>= 1:1.4.2)
  Depends: x11-common
  Depends: xfonts-encodings
  Depends: zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4)
libfontenc1
  Depends: libc6 (>= 2.14)
  Depends: zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4)
zlib1g
  Depends: libc6 (>= 2.14)
libfreetype6
  Depends: libc6 (>= 2.14)
  Depends: libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.13-4)
  Depends: zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4)
libpng12-0
  Depends: libc6 (>= 2.14)
  Depends: zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4)
  PreDepends: multiarch-support
multiarch-support
  Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-2)
libxfont1
  Depends: libbz2-1.0
  Depends: libc6 (>= 2.14)
  Depends: libfontenc1
  Depends: libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1)
  Depends: zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4)
  PreDepends: multiarch-support
libbz2-1.0
  Depends: libc6 (>= 2.4)
x11-common
  Depends: debconf (>= 0.5)
  Depends: debconf-2.0
  Depends: lsb-base (>= 1.3-9ubuntu2)
debconf
  PreDepends: perl-base (>= 5.6.1-4)
perl-base
  PreDepends: dpkg (>= 1.17.17)
  PreDepends: libc6 (>= 2.14)
dpkg
  PreDepends: libbz2-1.0
  PreDepends: libc6 (>= 2.14)
  PreDepends: liblzma5 (>= 5.1.1alpha+20120614)
  PreDepends: libselinux1 (>= 2.3)
  PreDepends: tar (>= 1.23)
  PreDepends: zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4)
liblzma5
  Depends: libc6 (>= 2.14)
  PreDepends: multiarch-support
libselinux1
  Depends: libc6 (>= 2.14)
  Depends: libpcre3
libpcre3
  Depends: libc6 (>= 2.14)
  PreDepends: multiarch-support
tar
  PreDepends: libacl1 (>= 2.2.51-8)
  PreDepends: libc6 (>= 2.17)
  PreDepends: libselinux1 (>= 1.32)
libacl1
  Depends: libattr1 (>= 1:2.4.46-8)
  Depends: libc6 (>= 2.14)
  PreDepends: multiarch-support
libattr1
  Depends: libc6 (>= 2.4)
  PreDepends: multiarch-support
debconf-2.0
lsb-base
xfonts-encodings
  Depends: x11-common
ttf-bitstream-vera
ucf
  Depends: coreutils (>= 5.91)
 ...

PS: its something gtk related. Any package among the following ones would bring the same bunch of packages, around 183 MB or more:
xdg-user-dirs-gtk
synaptic
software-properties-gtk
clearlooks-phenix-theme
gtk3-engines-unico
compton

In Debian the theme comes from gtk, too:
https://packages.debian.org/sid/libgtk-3-common

However, there is no ubuntu-mono.

Regardless, it seems the issue lies in the way Debian is handling packaging, so I would file a bug upstream if I were you. If you indeed believe it to be a bug. Might be good to check in with the gtk maintainers first and see if they can provide some insight.

While this may be a problem, it's one that will have an almost unnoticed affect on most folks, so low.

Hi,

Extra information will be available in the two text files attached, and you can also have a look at the pic showing part of the vimdiff, here:
http://meets.free.fr/images/vimdiff-libgtk-3.0_vivid_vs_wily.png

Please don't subscribe Debian package uploaders to bugs on Launchpad. If you want us to receive your bug report, file it on Debian BTS instead.

P.S. I don't see anything unusual in apt-rdepends output.

Yes, sorry for my mistake.

I'll investigate in Debian as soon as possible.

Best regards,
Joyce Markoll / aka melodie

PS: theme packages which in return bring other theme packages aren't welcome, but as I
said, I'll look into Debian with the help of a few Debian users friends.

On Thu, 05 Nov 2015 14:12:07 -0000
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>
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Apart from obconf, here are other packages which if installed would trigger the same sort of "lots of depends added" behavior, where I am surprised to see "adwaita-icon-theme" mostly everywhere, and often "ubuntu-mono-theme", and sometimes also "humanity-icon-theme", which perhaps also trigger installing more packages (?):

****
# lightdm-gtk-greeter // 185 MB
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  adwaita-icon-theme dconf-gsettings-backend dconf-service glib-networking glib-networking-common glib-networking-services gsettings-desktop-schemas
  humanity-icon-theme libatk-bridge2.0-0 libatspi2.0-0 libboost-filesystem1.58.0 libboost-system1.58.0 libcolord2 libdconf1 libdrm-amdgpu1
  libdrm-intel1 libdrm-nouveau2 libdrm-radeon1 libegl1-mesa libepoxy0 libgbm1 libgl1-mesa-dri libgtk-3-0 libgtk-3-bin libgtk-3-common libido3-0.1-0
  libindicator3-7 libjson-glib-1.0-0 libjson-glib-1.0-common liblightdm-gobject-1-0 libllvm3.6v5 libmirclient9 libmircommon5 libmirprotobuf3
  libpciaccess0 libprotobuf-lite9v5 libproxy1v5 librest-0.7-0 libsoup-gnome2.4-1 libsoup2.4-1 libwayland-client0 libwayland-cursor0
  libwayland-egl1-mesa libwayland-server0 libxcb-dri2-0 libxcb-xfixes0 libxkbcommon0 libxkbfile1 libxklavier16 lightdm-gtk-greeter ubuntu-mono
  x11-xkb-utils
0 upgraded, 52 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 449 kB/19.6 MB of archives.
After this operation, 185 MB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n
****

****
# ubiquity-frontend-gtk // 278 MB:
  adwaita-icon-theme apt-clone archdetect-deb aspell aspell-en cryptsetup cryptsetup-bin dconf-gsettings-backend dconf-service dictionaries-common
  dpkg-repack ecryptfs-utils emacsen-common gir1.2-appindicator3-0.1 gir1.2-atk-1.0 gir1.2-freedesktop gir1.2-gdkpixbuf-2.0 gir1.2-gtk-3.0
  gir1.2-javascriptcoregtk-3.0 gir1.2-json-1.0 gir1.2-pango-1.0 gir1.2-soup-2.4 gir1.2-timezonemap-1.0 gir1.2-vte-2.91 gir1.2-webkit-3.0
  gir1.2-xkl-1.0 glib-networking glib-networking-common glib-networking-services gsettings-desktop-schemas humanity-icon-theme libappindicator3-1
  libaspell15 libatk-bridge2.0-0 libatspi2.0-0 libboost-filesystem1.58.0 libboost-system1.58.0 libcolord2 libdbusmenu-glib4 libdbusmenu-gtk3-4
  libdconf1 libdebian-installer4 libdrm-amdgpu1 libdrm-intel1 libdrm-nouveau2 libdrm-radeon1 libecryptfs1 libegl1-mesa libenchant1c2a libepoxy0
  libgbm1 libgeoclue0 libgl1-mesa-dri libgl1-mesa-glx libglapi-mesa libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0 libgstreamer1.0-0 libgtk-3-0 libgtk-3-bin
  libgtk-3-common libharfbuzz-icu0 libhunspell-1.3-0 libhunspell-1.3-0v5 libido3-0.1-0 libindicator3-7 libjavascriptcoregtk-3.0-0 libjson-glib-1.0-0
  libjson-glib-1.0-common libllvm3.6v5 libmirclient9 libmircommon5 libmirprotobuf3 libnspr4 libnss3 libnss3-1d libnss3-nssdb liborc-0.4-0
  libparted-fs-resize0 libpciaccess0 libpolkit-backend-1-0 libprotobuf-lite9v5 libproxy1v5 librest-0.7-0 libsoup-gnome2.4-1 libsoup2.4-1
  libtimezonemap-data libtimezonemap1 libvte-2.91-0 libvte-2.91-common libwayland-client0 libwayland-cursor0 libwayland-egl1-mesa libwayland-server0
  libwebkitgtk-3.0-0 libwebkitgtk-3.0-common libwebp5 libxcb-dri2-0 libxcb-dri3-0 libxcb-glx0 libxcb...

Hi,

It is libgtk-3-common, which starting from Jessie in Debian, brings in adwaita-icon-theme as a mandatory dependency.

https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-icon-theme/+question/274092

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In Debian Wheezy:
https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libgtk-3-common

there are no icon themes in the depends.

In Debian Jessie:
https://packages.debian.org/jessie/libgtk-3-common

dep: adwaita-icon-theme (>= 3.14) appears.

then it's also there in Stretch and in sid.

adwaita-icon-theme in return brings in hicolor-icon-theme:
https://packages.debian.org/jessie/adwaita-icon-theme

From there, in Ubuntu Wily where I noticed several big icon themes coming soon while building a custom setup in my computer using a mini.iso:
http://packages.ubuntu.com/wily/libgtk-3-common
→ adwaita-icon-theme

and:
http://packages.ubuntu.com/wily/adwaita-icon-theme

We get the followin depends:
hicolor-icon-theme
    default fallback theme for FreeDesktop.org icon themes
(…)
ubuntu-mono
    Ubuntu Mono Icon theme
ou adwaita-icon-theme-full
    default icon theme of GNOME

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A "below CD size ISO" isn't just about burning CD, about hard drive space, it's about a vast majority of potential users who have 2 GB max bandwidth, or even closer to the dialup connection; it is about saving electricity, about saving money and about being able to install Ubuntu on older machines where only a CD can be read!

It is about more than one issue. It is about "making it possible to get it", "making it easy to burn for old computers", "making it easier to download", making it economical, and more ecological.

Thanks for considering this a higher level of importance as a bug report.