Toolbar Icon Label Default Setting | QA Testing

My system: Compaq Evo N610c laptop with 14.1" screen @ 1024x768

testing method A

In Kontact the icons do all fit nicely in full-screen mode for me, with the exception of the "What's This" icon in Kmail. But that is only because I have used the anti-spam wizard which added the spam/ham icons to the toolbar. it doesn't sound like a big gain in screen real estate moving the text, but actually gaining it does make a small but quite noticeable difference.

I find the new button/text layout gives me a bigger 'target' to hit, whiich seems to make it easier for me to click the correct one, especially as I am still getting used to this laptops's pointing devices :) The useful icons are directly above the message list, which is also handy.

I do loose a few buttons un-maximized, as shown in the attached screenshot. I am not sure if the window size is standard or not as I may have changed it at some point

Konqueror : no issues maximized or un-maximized

Okular: un-maximized, one icon (selection) is not visible

Dolphin looks good. (as an aside, could the icon in the information pane be reduced? it is so huge in comparison to the other icon sizes)

Overall I like the text-alongside-icons. It is something I have never given much (or any) though to.

@Clay

Hmm.. it seems like Okular's default horizontal size got changed by ~10 pixels from when we tested it the first time. We should be able to adjust that.

Kmail was one we had to think about (forgot to mention it in the main entry). I think it is extremely useful to have the labels with the buttons since some of the icons look alike, but Kmail has a lot of icons in the toolbar. The "Previous/Next Unread Message" button pair takes up an indecent amount of space. We may have to do the same as Konqueror and use icons only.

Hi,

I'm not sure about the benefits of putting the text alongside the icons..

Here are a few points i found disturbing; check the two attached screenshots to compare :
- The limit between each button gets blurry because the text is mixed with the icons. I find it confusing.
- We gain a few pixels vertically, but lose much more pixels horizontally! Horizontal space is important on wide screens too, since the extra space is often used for an always displayed widget bar or kopete contact list for example.
- It doesn't fix the problem of varying label lengths, it gets even worse because now every single button has its own length depending on the number of letters.
- We constantly have to click the double arrows to click the last buttons on the right. I find it confusing too because some important options get hidden, and new users cannot know they exist if they are always hidden by default..

Here is the second attachment, sorry i didn't a way to add a second one to my first post..

Testing method B on Hardy
System Thinkpad R61i 15" screen @ 1280x800

Tested Okular. As mentioned in a previous comment putting the text alongside the icons causes the buttons at the right hand end of the toolbar to be pushed onto a second line which requires using the arrow at the end of the toolbar to gain access. Screenshot attached.

On the same subject I began by trying to test the applications in the 'Internet' section of the k-menu. I hadn't really noticed before but the majority of applications in this section don't have any text alongside the icons. Konqueror, akregator and konversation stand out but I can compile a complete list if that would be useful

Testing method B on Hardy
System Thinkpad R61i 15" screen @ 1280x800

Following on from my previous comment. Apps in the 'Internet' section of Kmenu that don't have any text at all with the icons. Series of screenshots to follow.

Konversation - by default seems to be configured to hide the toolbar. If it is displayed then the icons have no text.
Kontact - regardless of which view is chosen in the left sidebar.
Akregator - both when run from within kontact and as a stand alone app.
KRDC - remote dsktop client
Konqueror.

akregator in stand alone mode

Testing method B on Hardy
System Thinkpad R61i 15" screen @ 1280x800

Tested Ktorrent kde4 version. This is an interesting case. There seems to be 3 independent toolbars in the window.

The 'main' toolbar with the open, save, etc options respects the setting to place text alongside icons.

The middle toolbar with the play, pause buttons still places text below icons as well as having the problem of some buttons being pushed 'offscreen' i.e onto a second line.

On the right hand search bar the drop down list to choose the search engine is pushed offscreen.

Testing method B on Hardy
System Thinkpad R61i 15" screen @ 1280x800

This one seems to be fine

Testing method B on Hardy
System Thinkpad R61i 15" screen @ 1280x800
Application: Gwenview

Basically fine. Same problem with buttons being forced off the end of the toolbar.

Testing method B on Hardy
System Thinkpad R61i 15" screen @ 1280x800
Application: digiKam/KDE3

Another instance where the icons don't have any text.

oops. forgot screenshot

Testing method B on Hardy
System Thinkpad R61i 15" screen @ 1280x800
Application: Amarok

This may be redundant since I don't have Amarok2 installed on this machine to compare against but Amarok seems to be another case where the toolbar icons don't have any text.

Testing method B on Hardy
System Thinkpad R61i 15" screen @ 1280x800
Application: JuK

The toolbar on JuK seems to only include play/pause type buttons for controlling media playback. I'm not sure if this qualifies as a toolbar for the purpose of this exercise but it still keeps the text below the icons. It actually looks very like the toolbar on ktorrent, is this a standard widget from qt?

Testing method B on Hardy
System Thinkpad R61i 15" screen @ 1280x800
Application: Dragon Player

Seems to work just fine

Testing method B on Hardy
System Thinkpad R61i 15" screen @ 1280x800
Application: Kate

Works fine

Testing Method A, it doesn't quite work with KOffice2. The first toolbar on the row the follows the setting but not the rest.

@Kieran: There seem to be a bug in some KDE apps where the secondary toolbars do not follow the default setting. Could you submit a bug to Koffice about this?

@Everyone: If you have additional languages installed, can you try other system languages as well? There has only been minimal testing for other languages. I know German and Spanish tend to be longer, but it would be good to know a) if the icon+label in another language is still useful, and b) how much/many icons fall off the toolbar with default settings (default size and maximized, provide your resolution data as well). If you are running Intrepid alpha, please update kubuntu-default-settings.

Has been implemented in k-d-s, so setting that to fixed. The issues found with kde4libs still need to be fixed, though.

This QA bug is pretty much unneeded now, as the default icon label settings went upstream, and any issues with the related programming are being tracked at KDE>