No point in Edubuntu without it being a distribution

Bug #335455 reported by John Cockroft
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edubuntu-meta (Ubuntu)
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Bug Description

Binary package hint: edubuntu-desktop

This is not strictly a bug at all BUT is SO IMPORTANT that I could not let this go.

Making Edubuntu an add-on CD (effectively just a small Debian repository on a CD) rather than being a bootable distribution in its own right has destroyed the reason for Edubuntu to exist in the first place.

Edubuntu (7.10 and earlier) was fantastic for demonstrating how amazing Linux and open source education applications are to teachers and schoolchildren (who are normally completely brainwashed by Microsoft into thinking that PCs cannot be used without Windows/Office). Standard desktop Ubuntu (good as it is) does not have the appeal to children that the themed and child-oriented Edubuntu desktop has.

If we are to push Ubuntu into schools (especially in the UK which is pretty hostile to Linux at the moment) then we need bootable Live CDs (or Live DVDs) of Edubuntu for demonstration purposes. I realize that I can build my own Live CD with UCK *BUT* this is then not an officially supported Ubuntu distribution.

Come on guys - the time to act is NOW! Vista is very unpopular and this is a real window of opportunity to push Edubuntu into schools. Having Edubuntu as an add-on CD is completely pointless - users might as well install "edubuntu-desktop" from Synaptic.

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Jonathan Carter (jonathan) wrote :

John, thank you for your bug report. While I completely agree with you on the importance of an Edubuntu installation disc, it's unfortunately not really possible due to constraints in our team. We simply have way too few people who are able to do testing, even with just the current Edubuntu isos. The Ubuntu release manager will never allow Edubuntu CD's to ship if they are not properly tested.

The Add-on approach isn't at all bad either. Ubuntu barely fits on a CD. If you want to add educational tools or content, there's simply not enough space to add much. As a result, the old Ubuntu and Edubuntu discs were about 95% identical, which is a bit of a waste in terms of shipping the software. Splitting off to a new disc allowed Edubuntu to include many more language packs and software, and there is still space left for expansion.

Hopefully in the future, there will be an Edubuntu DVD that can act as a complete turn-key solution. Unfortunately the community just doesn't have the resources to maintain it (yet).

Changed in edubuntu-meta (Ubuntu):
status: New → In Progress
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Jeremy Bícha (jbicha) wrote :

Edubuntu is once again a stand-alone DVD. http://www.edubuntu.org/news/9.10-release

Changed in edubuntu-meta (Ubuntu):
status: In Progress → Fix Released
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John Cockroft (john-cockroft-develop) wrote : Re: [Bug 335455] Re: No point in Edubuntu without it being a distribution

Hi Jeremy

I've not had the opportunity to thank you for doing this - this is fantastic
for demonstrating to schools :)
The hard bit (of course) is overcoming the Microsoft 'conditioning' and also
the 'it's free therefore it must be pirated' brigade.

Best Wishes

John Cockroft

On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Jeremy Bicha <email address hidden> wrote:

> Edubuntu is once again a stand-alone DVD.
> http://www.edubuntu.org/news/9.10-release
>
> ** Changed in: edubuntu-meta (Ubuntu)
> Status: In Progress => Fix Released
>
> --
> No point in Edubuntu without it being a distribution
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/335455
> You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber
> of the bug.
>
> Status in “edubuntu-meta” package in Ubuntu: Fix Released
>
> Bug description:
> Binary package hint: edubuntu-desktop
>
> This is not strictly a bug at all BUT is SO IMPORTANT that I could not let
> this go.
>
> Making Edubuntu an add-on CD (effectively just a small Debian repository on
> a CD) rather than being a bootable distribution in its own right has
> destroyed the reason for Edubuntu to exist in the first place.
>
> Edubuntu (7.10 and earlier) was fantastic for demonstrating how amazing
> Linux and open source education applications are to teachers and
> schoolchildren (who are normally completely brainwashed by Microsoft into
> thinking that PCs cannot be used without Windows/Office). Standard desktop
> Ubuntu (good as it is) does not have the appeal to children that the themed
> and child-oriented Edubuntu desktop has.
>
> If we are to push Ubuntu into schools (especially in the UK which is pretty
> hostile to Linux at the moment) then we need bootable Live CDs (or Live
> DVDs) of Edubuntu for demonstration purposes. I realize that I can build my
> own Live CD with UCK *BUT* this is then not an officially supported Ubuntu
> distribution.
>
> Come on guys - the time to act is NOW! Vista is very unpopular and this is
> a real window of opportunity to push Edubuntu into schools. Having Edubuntu
> as an add-on CD is completely pointless - users might as well install
> "edubuntu-desktop" from Synaptic.
>

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