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update-manager package

Update-manager should not incentivate to do Partial Updates

Bug #373006 reported by Fernando Miguel
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Bug Description

Binary package hint: update-manager

From my experience UM offers Partial Upgrade when it fails to get a package due to not built, FATBFS or FTBFD.
It also does it, for dependencies replacement upgrades.

Current string even promotes the use of it.

But running it during development cycle leads to the removal of package for which dependencies are not ready, and I have no idea what i can do for stable releases.

Can this option (Partial Upgrades) be removed or improved, and if needed left for Synaptic or apt dist-upgrade?

see screenshot of text string

ProblemType: Bug
Architecture: amd64
Date: Wed May 6 23:15:27 2009
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 9.10
NonfreeKernelModules: nvidia
Package: update-manager 1:0.120
PackageArchitecture: all
ProcEnviron:
 PATH=(custom, user)
 LANG=en_US.UTF-8
 SHELL=/bin/bash
SourcePackage: update-manager
Uname: Linux 2.6.30-2-generic x86_64

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Fernando Miguel (fernandomiguel) wrote :
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Krzysztof Klimonda (kklimonda) wrote :

From what I remember (and from my experience with apt-get upgrade) packages that can't be upgraded are just held back and not removed. Also sometimes doing partial upgrade during development cycle may break system or at least some parts of it..
Maybe this dialog should be made more verbose (at least during development) ?

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Aleksey (heat-yandex) wrote :

I have the similiar problem, but with open office packages

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Aleksey (heat-yandex) wrote :

My problem was solved: using synaptic I deleted old unused packages. Now I have oo 3.1

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Eliah Kagan (degeneracypressure) wrote :

The situation in https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+question/142662, where a user's partial upgrade removed the Network Managed and left the system unable to access the Internet, suggests that performing partial upgrades without good reason may be dangerous, and that the process may remove packages.

Can someone more knowledgeable weigh in on this? If partial upgrades are dangerous but users are offered them without warning, that does seem to be a problem. But I don't know whether the solution is to change the partial upgrade process itself, or for the Update Manager to warn about the hazards when offering to perform partial upgrades (or something else altogether).

@Krzysztof Klimonda: By default (i.e. when run without any other command-line arguments), the command "apt-get upgrade" may remove packages, but it will ask the user's permission first. That doesn't necessarily mean that the Update Manager (whether or not a distro version upgrade is taking place) has this behavior (or even that it necessarily should).

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Robert Roth (evfool) wrote :

Thanks for taking the time to improve Ubuntu. There is a similar discussion in bug #430197 on Partial Upgrades, could you please check if the solutions suggested there would solve the problem reported here? Basically it suggests having more failsafe alternatives for the user, and let the user choose.
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Changed in update-manager (Ubuntu):
status: New → Incomplete
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Launchpad Janitor (janitor) wrote :

[Expired for update-manager (Ubuntu) because there has been no activity for 60 days.]

Changed in update-manager (Ubuntu):
status: Incomplete → Expired
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