[wontfix] firefox should be 32bit even on 64bit enabled OS

Bug #90947 reported by Noam Meltzer
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firefox (Ubuntu)
In Progress
Wishlist
Mozilla Bugs

Bug Description

Binary package hint: firefox

Firefox should be provided only as a 32bit binary even when the underlying OS is 64bit enabled.
Reasons for that are:

1. Many plugins for firefox are provided as 32bit only. These plugins are usually proprietary and no source code available. (one example is shockwave flash, but even Sun's JRE plugin is a good example, as if it was feasible to provide the plugin for 64bit, Sun would have done so long ago).

2. It is a waste of memory to use firefox with 64bit address space. firefox does not need this "extra" amount of memory and there's no added value of doing so.

3. firefox is not widely tested on x86_64, because of the above articles and for the fact that x86_64 is a young architecture. this is just a sure recipe to cause bugs.

ProblemType: Bug
Architecture: amd64
Date: Fri Mar 9 22:27:08 2007
DistroRelease: Ubuntu 7.04
Uname: Linux meydele 2.6.20-9-generic #2 SMP Sun Feb 25 22:59:06 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux

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Alexander Sack (asac) wrote :

if you think amd64 is not mature enough, feel free to install i386 variant.

Changed in firefox:
status: Unconfirmed → Rejected
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Noam Meltzer (tsnoam) wrote :

Hi,
I did not mean "amd64" is not mature. I meant that firefox, specifically, should be provided as 32bit package. (And for more than then the reason of maturity, as described above).

Users might have many reasons to install amd64 OS, but I doubt that firefox is one of them. Moreover, firefox failing to work properly and seamlessly on the platform is a reason for a user to look for alternatives.

Changed in firefox:
status: Rejected → Unconfirmed
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Alexander Sack (asac) wrote : Re: [Bug 90947] Re: firefox should be 32bit even on 64bit enabled OS

On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 10:37:14AM -0000, Noam Meltzer wrote:
> Hi,
> I did not mean "amd64" is not mature. I meant that firefox, specifically, should be provided as 32bit package. (And for more than then the reason of maturity, as described above).
>
> Users might have many reasons to install amd64 OS, but I doubt that
> firefox is one of them. Moreover, firefox failing to work properly and
> seamlessly on the platform is a reason for a user to look for
> alternatives.
>
> ** Changed in: firefox (Ubuntu)
> Status: Rejected => Unconfirmed
>

Can you please refrain to tweak the status?

Firefox works well on amd64.

 - Alexander

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Alexander Sack (asac) wrote : Re: firefox should be 32bit even on 64bit enabled OS

ok in order to prevent duplicate reports, I keep this open as confirmed wishlist.

Changed in firefox:
assignee: nobody → mozilla-bugs
importance: Undecided → Wishlist
status: Unconfirmed → Confirmed
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Noam Meltzer (tsnoam) wrote :

Hi,

Thanks for adding this to the wishlist.
And on that manner, who should I try to convince that this is something highly desirable?

- Noam

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Alexander Sack (asac) wrote : Re: [Bug 90947] Re: [wontfix] firefox should be 32bit even on 64bit enabled OS

On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 12:18:49PM -0000, Noam Meltzer wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Thanks for adding this to the wishlist.
> And on that manner, who should I try to convince that this is something highly desirable?
>

At best the plugin providers :) ... otherwise me.

 - Alexander

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Noam Meltzer (tsnoam) wrote :

What will it take to convince you of my rational? (Or the other way around...)
Will it be appropriate to take this kind of the conversation off list? (via ICQ/msn/yahoo/gtalk/etc.)

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Alexander Sack (asac) wrote :

this is in progress as we are working on a way to tightly integrate nspluginwrapper. See: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNspluginwrapperSpec

Changed in firefox:
status: Confirmed → In Progress
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Danson Joseph (nosnad) wrote :

Dear Alexander,

May I please paint a picture for you (one that ubuntu really aims to achieve).
A school for which I am setting up an LTSP installation has Large Xeon systems with 8GB RAM each.
Thus no 32bit distro will work because of the 4GB limit. So the only installation possible is amd64. Done.

However, their programming language (dictated by the national examination board) is java. Well that's fine because ubuntu ship with the full stack,
so the CAN develop java APPLICATIONS, but when it gets to java applets, how do they test it.

Well what I have had to do (because installing in a chroot or manual 32bit firefox installation is not a good solution for maintenance by others not as well versed in linux as I) was to install swiftweasel (32bit) as a 64bit deb file, along with ia32-sun-java6-bin/jre.

So in short, what is requried (even as a temporary option is a second package (not installed by default?) of firefox as a 32bit application, but for a 64bit installation.

WHY NOT USE nspluginwrapper - simple, it doesn't work with java because of the different API's used by netscape and java.

So, this isn't a major ask, please provide a 32bit firefox build packaged for a 64 bit environment, just until sun-java6-plugin OR ia32-sun-java6-plugin
is around.

Regards,
Danson Joseph

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Alexander Sack (asac) wrote :

we have icedtea-java7 package in gutsy which also has a 64bit package. This should work well for almost anybody.

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