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Bug #57379
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Comment 8 for bug 57379

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Subharo Bhikkhu (subharo) wrote on 2007-03-09: Re: [Bug 57379] Re: end users should not have to access BIOS whatsoever to install Ubuntu

Fair enough. I give you guys big kudos for respecting the Windows
install (that a new Ubuntu install would either live alongside or wipe
out). It is interesting to note that Microsoft **does not** pay that
same courtesy back to Ubuntu. Witness what happens when you have a
system with Ubuntu only installed, then you install Windows.

In this situation, Windows by default wants to wipe out Ubuntu, not
clearly explaining the meaning or implications of this. And Windows
will surely wipe out GRUB such that Windows will boot ONLY, no choice
is given like GRUB provides to also boot to Ubuntu.

I salute your "maturity" and respect you show towards your
competition, namely Microsoft.

Cheers,
Dustin.

On 3/7/07, Matt Zimmerman <email address hidden> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 05:26:41PM -0000, Dustin wrote:
> > I also am curious: could any of the multiple solutions be
> > complimentary to each other? Like could more than one solution be
> > used? Rather than spending lots of time and effort reaching a
> > consensus on picking one solution, why not just go ahead with the
> > first and easiest one, and if a better solution comes later, maybe it
> > can also be used (if it is complimentary)?
>
> It is well worth the investment in thinking through the problem before
> deploying a solution. The availability of a proof of concept implementation
> of one idea is useful and we will look at it, but it would not be wise to
> rush a new feature in, especially one which modifies the boot process of an
> installed Windows system. Anything we do in this respect must be carefully
> considered and thoroughly tested before being released.
>
> We're well into feature freeze for Ubuntu 7.04 (the beta release is just a
> few weeks away now), and we plan to discuss this topic at the Developer
> Summit in early May, after the release.
>
> > More roads leading to Ubuntu is a good thing, IMHO, plus I also feel
> > Ubuntu needs to act fast to compete with Vista.
>
> This is good reason to be creative, but not to be reckless.
>
> --
> - mdz
>
> --
> end users should not have to access BIOS whatsoever to install Ubuntu
> https://launchpad.net/bugs/57379
>

--
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"Freedom is not the capacity to do whatever we please; freedom is the
capacity to make intelligent choices" -Francis Moore Lappé

Fair enough.  I give you guys big kudos for respecting the Windows
install (that a new Ubuntu install would either live alongside or wipe
out).  It is interesting to note that Microsoft **does not** pay that
same courtesy back to Ubuntu.  Witness what happens when you have a
system with Ubuntu only installed, then you install Windows.

In this situation, Windows by default wants to wipe out Ubuntu, not
clearly explaining the meaning or implications of this.  And Windows
will surely wipe out GRUB such that Windows will boot ONLY, no choice
is given like GRUB provides to also boot to Ubuntu.

I salute your "maturity" and respect you show towards your
competition, namely Microsoft.

Cheers,
Dustin.

On 3/7/07, Matt Zimmerman <mdz@ubuntu.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 05:26:41PM -0000, Dustin wrote:
> > I also am curious: could any of the multiple solutions be
> > complimentary to each other?  Like could more than one solution be
> > used?  Rather than spending lots of time and effort reaching a
> > consensus on picking one solution, why not just go ahead with the
> > first and easiest one, and if a better solution comes later, maybe it
> > can also be used (if it is complimentary)?
>
> It is well worth the investment in thinking through the problem before
> deploying a solution.  The availability of a proof of concept implementation
> of one idea is useful and we will look at it, but it would not be wise to
> rush a new feature in, especially one which modifies the boot process of an
> installed Windows system.  Anything we do in this respect must be carefully
> considered and thoroughly tested before being released.
>
> We're well into feature freeze for Ubuntu 7.04 (the beta release is just a
> few weeks away now), and we plan to discuss this topic at the Developer
> Summit in early May, after the release.
>
> > More roads leading to Ubuntu is a good thing, IMHO, plus I also feel
> > Ubuntu needs to act fast to compete with Vista.
>
> This is good reason to be creative, but not to be reckless.
>
> --
>  - mdz
>
> --
> end users should not have to access BIOS whatsoever to install Ubuntu
> https://launchpad.net/bugs/57379
>

-- 
Dustin Harriman

My Blog: http://ca.blog.360.yahoo.com/dustinharriman
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"Freedom is not the capacity to do whatever we please; freedom is the
capacity to make intelligent choices"  -Francis Moore Lappé