Comment 11 for bug 1988819

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Sergio Callegari (callegar) wrote : Re: When apt keeps back packages due to phased updates, it should say nothing

As the original reporter, I am a bit unconvinced by this change of perspective in how to fix the issue. I agree that being silent is easier, but does not feel quite the right thing to do for me, at least unless an option or something is added to see which upgrades are in progress and phased back.

- It is untrue that from the user perspective these packages do not exist yet, as suggested.

> from their perspective, the packages don't actually exist yet.

The packages do exist and can be quite visible to the user. If you `apt install`, it is the most recent version of the packages that gets installed.

- It is generally considered bad practice to open bugs without first trying the most recent version of some troublesome software

Hiding the phased out packages takes away the opportunity to users who are experiencing problems to try the most recent version before opening a bug.

- When neighboring machines start running different versions of the software and the user has the belief that they should be aligned because they use the same distribution, if trouble occurs the user may be lead to wrong conclusions (e.g. inculpate the hardware).

Again the user should be able to easily check if there is the opportunity to try the last version of something when that something is giving trouble.

- Finally, I am afraid that being non-transparent may lead users to develop non standard hacks to see (and maybe immediately install) the phased out packages. Incidentally, currently `aptitude upgrade` installs the phased out packages.