Comment 6 for bug 263827

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Fri13 (friiduh) wrote :

@Celeste: Yes, for user who does not know the truth, believe that Ubuntu and Mandriva are two different operating systems. But that believing just brings more problems for them in long run when they start learning the computers. I believe that no one should give misinformation for new users because it just makes the conversations harder with advanced users. The problem is that the "GRUB Operating Systems list" does not actually say that the list options would be different operating systems, neither it does say they can be same.
Currently there is lots of problems with definition "Operating System" because it has be used so much lately for marketing.
And there spreads so much false believeings that Ubuntu is the operating system, so the Mozilla Firefox and OpenOffice etc are part of operating systems. I just hope that when we are talking about computer science, we should use correct definitions.
You are right that we cant have "GRUB Kernel list" because it is more technical, even it is same as "GRUB Operating Systems list". (Linux is the operating system, you know? ;).
And when avarage Joe wants to edit the boot options, he does search information about "boot" or other similar thing. I dont think does GRUB say anything but again, we cant hide that infomation because it is needed for documents and computer books mention GRUB or LILO, so it will come familiar for them.

So we actually cant have words "Operating System" or "Kernel" (both means almost same thing depending kernel structure http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0130313580/ref=sib_dp_pt/103-7158569-1619062#reader-link check page 2 and 3) because it just brings problems for novice user in future, while the advanced user would know what they mean and what is the complete software system (Ubuntu or Mandriva) and Distribution. Just like you said, you can have multiple entries of same operating system to boot different systems or boot the operating system with different settings. Problem is actually that many user has false believe that operating system == system what you operate.

So I am voting for the "GRUB boot list" text for there. It is neutral and does not spread misinformation among users. The point is still there. I think it is vital to not spread misinformation for novice users, even it would be with good faith. Because isn't it usability, that you take care not to make problems for user in later use? The words can be even more problematic than just the GUI or functionality etc ;-)