please revert startup sounds

Bug #72143 reported by Matthew East on 2006-11-17
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ubuntu-sounds (Ubuntu)
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Ubuntu Artwork Team

Bug Description

I hope this is the right package to report this on. The startup sounds in Edgy are nowhere near as nice as the ones we had in previous releases. I don't want to disrespect the author, who I think did a good job considering it was (as I understand it) a community contribution, but the old sounds were much more relaxing, professional and above all *memorable*. Also, they didn't have any corny symbals in them. Can we have them back?

I think keeping the startup sound consistent will improve the marketing of Ubuntu as an operating system - people will associate it with the sound, just as they do with Windows.

I remember the interview with Mark that was shown on English TV focused on the (old) startup sound as something that users might be hearing more and more in place of the annoying Windows startup sound.

While one can discuss the merits of the sounds on aesthetic grounds, I would like to address the latter portion of your comment.

Currently, the modern world moves at the speed of thought -- it changes, it morphs, it is nebulous. It is possible that an operating system that strives to be contemporary and modern should _perhaps_ attempt to permit such metamorphosis.

I wholeheartedly agree with you that consistency is worthy of concern, but I believe the current branding of Ubuntu serves that purpose -- without focusing on the minutiae. The consistency is constructed from the cohesive sum of the whole, not the discreet partial elements. Where the technology within Ubuntu can change quite dramatically, we should permit for the possibility of the same on aesthetic functionality.

Ultimately, change is healthy. We will certainly make mistakes in the process, but that is the nature of innovation. Our operating system should strive to push new limits, set new standards, and, most importantly, change at the rate that society is changing. That is part of the beauty of it.

> Currently, the modern world moves at the speed of thought -- it changes,
> it morphs, it is nebulous. It is possible that an operating system that
> strives to be contemporary and modern should _perhaps_ attempt to permit
> such metamorphosis.

I suppose whether you think the modern world moves in those ways or not
depends on your point of view. Anyway, to be clear, I didn't mean to imply
that there is something wrong with innovation and positive change.

But the startup sounds have not undergone such a change - the previous
sounds were really professional and would be a great way for users to
identify Ubuntu. The current ones have not got those attributes. Ubuntu
hasn't changed its awesome logo, because users will identify with it.
There was no need to change the awesome startup sounds either. (Again,
nothing against change per se, if the logo was a dud I'd be the first to
be crying for it to be improved.)

I actually kind of like the startup sounds..but I never heard the old ones before. Is there a place I could get them to hear what they sound like (the pre-Edgy ones)? Thanks!

"but the old sounds were much more relaxing, professional"
"the previous sounds were really professional"

It seems over the Edgy cycle this term 'professional' was bandied around as some catch phrase. This is especially interesting when considering the compositions of the various teams and the education / professional background of the participants.

Once again, it seems the issue here is change. I am quite certain that if one were to conduct a poll, the sounds would attain an acceptable level of approval. I am quite certain that there are disagreements over coding style, documentation grammar, etc., that are all as relevant -- but perhaps not quite as high profile. We _are_ a team however, across all of the various elements, and we need to support each other.

Ultimately, reversion is probably not the wisest choice -- as progression would seem more appropriate. Further still, until we _concretely_ define Ubuntu creative design policy and treat it with the same attention as we do with the technological aspects, we are doomed to repeat the same mistakes.

Perhaps we should be discussing the mechanics of design that 'work' for Ubuntu versus, such as useful terms as 'relaxing' etc. This is all far more critical towards building a comprehensive design philosophy as opposed to dissecting the smallest of details regarding our current evolutionary state.

Let's work towards the future, not mimicry of the past. "Those were the days" isn't a good enough excuse as, for us, _these_ are the days.

Matthew East (mdke) wrote :

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* Troy James Sobotka:
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Ok, the word "revert" seems to bother you. Let's rephrase.

Please improve the Ubuntu startup sounds. The current ones do not
represent an improvement from the previous ones, which had begun to be a
way for users to identify with their operating system.
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Mark Shuttleworth (sabdfl) wrote :

I'm very pleased we managed to get community-contributed sounds for
Edgy. I would agree with Matthew, however, that the previous sound
scheme was in overall balance a better one, but I think we have to be
willing to leap from peak to peak and that means traversing a valley or
two :-). Matthew, why not engage directly with the author of these
sounds and see if you can get something you really like, for
consideration by the community?

Mark

Frank Schoep (frank-ffnn) wrote :

FYI the Edgy sounds were done by Peter Savage - you can find him on IRC as cbx33 and his e-mail address is petesavage at ubuntu dot com. I'm pretty sure Peter will be open to suggestions and ideas for doing the Feisty sound theme.

Matthew East (mdke) wrote :

> FYI the Edgy sounds were done by Peter Savage - you can find him on IRC
> as cbx33 and his e-mail address is petesavage at ubuntu dot com. I'm
> pretty sure Peter will be open to suggestions and ideas for doing the
> Feisty sound theme.

Thanks Mark/Frank for these. I will try, but I still find it hard to go
beyond "just use the sounds that we have already from previous releases,
that work and which already form part of the Ubuntu identity". That seems
to be taken (from the responses I've had on this bug) as backwards
attitude, but it really isn't.

If that isn't going to be an option, I'll try and give Pete some feedback
on his Feisty work.

Matt

I think the new startup sound is nice, in composition, but I dislike the actual samples used, as they sound like they are taken directly from the Korg X5D synthesizer, which makes it sound rather homemade.

Is it possible to remake the sound with different samples? Maybe this would "fix" this bug as well.

Changed in ubuntu-artwork:
assignee: nobody → ubuntu-art
livingtarget (renekok) wrote :

Just my 2 cents added:

Each time I hear the rattle at the end I think my cdrom/hard drive is about to explode. That sound isn't healthy. Reminds me far too much of something mechanical breaking down. Maybe that's just me, but I thought I'd mention it.

Changed in ubuntu-sounds:
status: New → Invalid

The Ubuntu start up sound in Dapper was excellent. Somehow since Edgy it sounds like a Casio keyboard was left in a kindergarten.

+1 reinstate the Dapper sound.

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