fails to start on boot due to hal not running

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By default, pulseaudio only runs as the user, and not system wide. Unless you have a specific reason, pulseaudio should not be run system wide as it is a possible security risk. Added to that, pulseaudio will only use the hal module if its available and hal is running. Perhaps the hal module loading needs to prevent pulseaudio from failing etc, but people who set up pulseaudio system wide, do so for a good reason, and I'd suspect they would know what they are doing.

 affects ubuntu/pulseaudio
 status wontfix
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> By default, pulseaudio only runs as the user, and not system wide.

Yes. What does that have to do with my bug report?

> Unless you have a specific reason, pulseaudio should not be run system wide as it is a possible security risk.

I have a specific reason (the reason being I am not a moron -- I know what I am doing) so that's why I enabled it in /etc/default/pulseaudio. Again, what does that have to do with my bug report?

> Added to that, pulseaudio will only use the hal module if its available and hal is running.

Not true, if HAL is not available, PA refuses to start. This is FACT.

> Perhaps the hal module loading needs to prevent pulseaudio from failing etc

No, what needs to be fixed is the initscript's ordering and dependencies. If you "fix" the hal module loading by loading the old "detect" module, you get only one sound output in stereo, not several outputs.

> but people who set up pulseaudio system wide, do so for a good reason, and I'd suspect they would know what they are doing.

I know what I am doing and I know why I submitted the bug.

In summary:

- there is a bug in the Ubuntu initscript that triggers in a certain scenario which is not the default but it is a supported scenario by the original developers.
- fixing this bug with the fix that I have researched and tested introduces no regressions or changes in behavior to default-configured systems
- fixing this bug with the fix that I have researched and tested fixes the needs of us who use PA system-wide

On the other hand, if you would like to cut your nose to spite your face, you could theoretically remove the initscript altogether in the next update, right? I mean, it's not like PA defaults to systemwide, right? You even said it yourself: "people who set up pulseaudio system wide, do so for a good reason, and I'd suspect they would know what they are doing". So that means *I* know what I am doing and I could very well write my own initscript, right?

News for you: I did. I fixed the initscript and generously contributed that fix back to the community. It took me quite a while to figure the bug out and fix it. Did you even give this bug a longer-than-cursory look?

This excuse of a triage is shameful. So, tell me again: why did you triage this bug as WONTFIX?

rc2.d order fixed in jaunty; remaining changes forthcoming

This bug was fixed in the package pulseaudio - 0.9.13-2ubuntu5

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pulseaudio (0.9.13-2ubuntu5) jaunty; urgency=low

  [ Daniel T Chen ]
  * Add fixes from git:
    - 0015_use_fionread.patch,
    - 0016_add_pa-source-message-get-latency.patch,
    - 0017_allow_dev_dsp_w-ok.patch,
    - 0018_fix_return_val_pa-frame-aligned.patch,
    - 0019_fix_macro_pa-unlikely.patch,
    - 0020_catch_driver_errors.patch (LP: #312373),
    - 0021_convert_to_pa-bool-t.patch,
    - 0022_fix_return_val_dump-resample-methods.patch,
    - 0023_use_gdbm-nolock.patch,
    - 0024_dont_mix_front-center_into_rear.patch,
    - 0025_drop_cap-nice_properly.patch,
    - 0027_handle_multicast_sdp_with_same_ip_ttl_as_rtp.patch,
    - 0028_prefer_mixer_controls_with_vols.patch (LP: #281605),
    - 0029_add_minor_fixes.patch
  * Forward-port workaround from hardy branch for source/sink and
    suspend-on-idle race (LP: #203654):
    - 0026_work_around_suspend-on-idle_source_sink_race.patch
  * debian/control: Drop padevchooser(Recommends) and pavucontrol
    (Suggests) completely - functionality has been subsumed by
    jaunty's gnome-volume-control.
  * debian/pulseaudio.init:
    - Make initscript more informative in the default case of per-user
      sessions (LP: #259522),
    - Make initscript retry (until three-second timeout) if stopping
      fails when restarting (LP: #244414),
    - LSB {Required-*,Should-*} should specify hal instead of dbus,
      since hal is required (and already requires dbus) (LP: #244679)
  * Previous upload contains patches to close:
    LP: #193491, #268891, #295164, #298301

  [ Luke Yelavich ]
  * 0008_regen_autotools.patch: Pull some libtool 2.2 updates from git,
    and regenerate autotools glue.
  * debian/rules: Add --enable-static to force creation of libpulse.a,
    a side-effect of messing with the autotools files. This shouldn't
    be needed for the 0.9.14 release.

 -- Luke Yelavich <email address hidden> Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:05:38 +1100