preseed example out of date

Umm, Colin, help?

Carl, you're looking at the *hoary* manual, when base-config was still there. If you have a bug with the *current* version of the manual (which you'll find in the installation-guide-i386 etc. package), then please file it against the installation-guide source package.

Colin Watson wrote:
> Carl, you're looking at the *hoary* manual, when base-config was still
> there. If you have a bug with the *current* version of the manual (which
> you'll find in the installation-guide-i386 etc. package), then please
> file it against the installation-guide source package.

wow. I'm truly sorry - I never realized such a package existed. I looked and
asked about a current version a few times, but was only looking at web pages.

Has this been resolved?

https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/console-setup/+bug/60338

This set of parameters didn't seem to do it: (split apart for easy reading)

append initrd=sc/e-a/initrd.gz ramdisk_size=16098 root=/dev/rd/0 rw

locale=en_US
kbd-chooser/method=us
console-tools/archs=skip-config

netcfg/wireless_wep= netcfg/get_hostname= DEBCONF_DEBUG=5
preseed/url=http://shaz/preseed-edgy-alt-testing.cfg

I took out kbd-chooser/method=us thinking it might conflict with skip-config, no
help.

C

On Sat, Sep 23, 2006 at 09:48:54PM -0000, Carl Karsten wrote:
> Colin Watson wrote:
> > Carl, you're looking at the *hoary* manual, when base-config was still
> > there. If you have a bug with the *current* version of the manual (which
> > you'll find in the installation-guide-i386 etc. package), then please
> > file it against the installation-guide source package.
>
> wow. I'm truly sorry - I never realized such a package existed. I looked and
> asked about a current version a few times, but was only looking at web pages.

It's supposed to be on doc.ubuntu.com too, but that version is very out
of date. Matthew, could you look at upgrading that to the current
version in Edgy?

> Has this been resolved?
>
> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/console-setup/+bug/60338

See the reply I just posted to that bug.

> console-tools/archs=skip-config

You can drop this now too, as it's only for kbd-chooser.

--
Colin Watson [<email address hidden>]

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Hi,

* Colin Watson:
> It's supposed to be on doc.ubuntu.com too, but that version is very out
> of date. Matthew, could you look at upgrading that to the current
> version in Edgy?

We could do, but doc.ubuntu.com is currently only used for displaying
work in progress documentation for the documentation team. A better
place to put it would be on https://help.ubuntu.com, where all the other
released documentation is. There are two reasons why I haven't put it
there already - 1) the main CD now is the desktop cd, and I wondered
whether it would confuse users to have the installation guide there for
the alternative cd, and 2) all the guides on help.ubuntu.com have nice
Ubuntu headers and colours, whereas the installer guide doesn't (not a
grave objection.

Let me know what you think.
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On Sun, Oct 01, 2006 at 01:25:57PM -0000, Matthew East wrote:
> * Colin Watson:
> > It's supposed to be on doc.ubuntu.com too, but that version is very out
> > of date. Matthew, could you look at upgrading that to the current
> > version in Edgy?
>
> We could do, but doc.ubuntu.com is currently only used for displaying
> work in progress documentation for the documentation team.

Well, it was you who agreed to put it on doc.ubuntu.com in the first
place :-) Either it shouldn't be there at all (and we should find
somewhere else to put it) or it should be up to date.

> A better place to put it would be on https://help.ubuntu.com, where
> all the other released documentation is. There are two reasons why I
> haven't put it there already - 1) the main CD now is the desktop cd,
> and I wondered whether it would confuse users to have the installation
> guide there for the alternative cd,

I'm sure it could be clearly labelled, e.g. "Install guide (not for
desktop CD)" or something.

> and 2) all the guides on help.ubuntu.com have nice Ubuntu headers and
> colours, whereas the installer guide doesn't (not a grave objection.

Can we do that easily with CSS?

Anyway, I'm happy to host it myself elsewhere, but one of
{doc,help}.ubuntu.com would be easier to find than somewhere random I
came up with. Either way, the outdated documentation we have there at
the moment is worse than no documentation.

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Thanks for this.

* Colin Watson:
> On Sun, Oct 01, 2006 at 01:25:57PM -0000, Matthew East wrote:
>> * Colin Watson:
>>> It's supposed to be on doc.ubuntu.com too, but that version is very out
>>> of date. Matthew, could you look at upgrading that to the current
>>> version in Edgy?
>> We could do, but doc.ubuntu.com is currently only used for displaying
>> work in progress documentation for the documentation team.
>
> Well, it was you who agreed to put it on doc.ubuntu.com in the first
> place :-)

That's right. At the time, it was documentation for the development
release, which is why it was put on doc.ubuntu.com.

> Either it shouldn't be there at all (and we should find
> somewhere else to put it) or it should be up to date.

You're quite right, see below.

>> A better place to put it would be on https://help.ubuntu.com, where
>> all the other released documentation is. There are two reasons why I
>> haven't put it there already - 1) the main CD now is the desktop cd,
>> and I wondered whether it would confuse users to have the installation
>> guide there for the alternative cd,
>
> I'm sure it could be clearly labelled, e.g. "Install guide (not for
> desktop CD)" or something.

Ok. Is there separate documentation for the desktop CD too?

>> and 2) all the guides on help.ubuntu.com have nice Ubuntu headers and
>> colours, whereas the installer guide doesn't (not a grave objection.
>
> Can we do that easily with CSS?

I think that it would be difficult, but I will look into it.

> Anyway, I'm happy to host it myself elsewhere, but one of
> {doc,help}.ubuntu.com would be easier to find than somewhere random I
> came up with. Either way, the outdated documentation we have there at
> the moment is worse than no documentation.

Again, quite right - this weekend I will make a note to look at this and
sort it out.

Matt
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On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 08:33:26PM -0000, Matthew East wrote:
> * Colin Watson:
> > Well, it was you who agreed to put it on doc.ubuntu.com in the first
> > place :-)
>
> That's right. At the time, it was documentation for the development
> release, which is why it was put on doc.ubuntu.com.

And the current version in Edgy is also documentation for the
development release; the proper version for help.ubuntu.com would be the
version in Dapper, I'd assume.

> >> A better place to put it would be on https://help.ubuntu.com, where
> >> all the other released documentation is. There are two reasons why I
> >> haven't put it there already - 1) the main CD now is the desktop cd,
> >> and I wondered whether it would confuse users to have the installation
> >> guide there for the alternative cd,
> >
> > I'm sure it could be clearly labelled, e.g. "Install guide (not for
> > desktop CD)" or something.
>
> Ok. Is there separate documentation for the desktop CD too?

Not at present, unfortunately.

> Again, quite right - this weekend I will make a note to look at this and
> sort it out.

Thanks!

Ok, I've been working on getting the html nicely Ubuntu-ized and have managed to produce some nice html with the docteam stylesheets on top of the buildweb.sh script in the source package. I've just built English (I couldn't see immediately how to build more, to be honest) and a single arch for now (I think the single arch is enough myself, if you disagree please let me know).

I'll include it in the tarball for help.ubuntu.com when I get around to building all the other parts of the website. In the meantime, please have a look and see if all is working ok:

http://mdke.org/tmp/6.10/installation-guide/en

On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 08:02:17PM -0000, Matthew East wrote:
> Ok, I've been working on getting the html nicely Ubuntu-ized and have
> managed to produce some nice html with the docteam stylesheets on top of
> the buildweb.sh script in the source package.

Cool, thanks!

> I've just built English (I couldn't see immediately how to build more,
> to be honest)

None of the rest have been kept up to date with Ubuntu changes, so don't
bother for now.

> and a single arch for now (I think the single arch is enough myself,
> if you disagree please let me know).

I do disagree; different text is built for different architectures, and
for instance if you're on a PowerPC Mac then you really do need the
powerpc manual.

I note that you appear to have built the manual for alpha, too, which is
not an Ubuntu architecture. ;-)

Hi,

>> and a single arch for now (I think the single arch is enough myself,
>> if you disagree please let me know).
>
> I do disagree; different text is built for different architectures, and
> for instance if you're on a PowerPC Mac then you really do need the
> powerpc manual.
>
> I note that you appear to have built the manual for alpha, too, which is
> not an Ubuntu architecture. ;-)

Yes, you're quite right - I noticed this only after posting to the bug
report. I'll try and figure out how to build different archs and sort that
out.

As a side note, we might want to patch the source package to include my
changes to the buildweb.sh script and stylesheets, just so that we don't
lose the changes for future website generating. What do you think?

On Mon, Oct 09, 2006 at 11:19:30AM -0000, Matthew East wrote:
> As a side note, we might want to patch the source package to include my
> changes to the buildweb.sh script and stylesheets, just so that we don't
> lose the changes for future website generating. What do you think?

Fine by me.

Where is the current version? (today, not planed - so I can review some things
and post the URL of what I am looking at.)

Where should I post comments? (guessing u-doc mail list)

like:

from en/apbs02.html#preseed-bootparms
Note that some variables that are frequently set at the boot prompt have a
shorter alias. If an alias is available, it is used in the examples in this
appendix instead of the full variable.

It isn't clear to me where to find the alias. I am guessing it means
example-preseed.txt but if so, that is odd. I would expect a more formal
reference guide style or at least the source code of whatever defines the aliases.

Carl K

You can read the current version by installing the "installation-guide" package and pointing your browser at /usr/share/doc/installation-guide

Make that installation-guide-$ARCH, e.g. installation-guide-i386.

On Thu, Oct 12, 2006 at 05:33:08PM -0000, Carl Karsten wrote:
> Where should I post comments? (guessing u-doc mail list)

Please file them as bugs against installation-guide instead. I don't
read the ubuntu-doc mailing list, and I'm the one you need to get to
read comments here.

Colin Watson wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2006 at 05:33:08PM -0000, Carl Karsten wrote:
>> Where should I post comments? (guessing u-doc mail list)
>
> Please file them as bugs against installation-guide instead. I don't
> read the ubuntu-doc mailing list, and I'm the one you need to get to
> read comments here.
>

will do. how much nudging of "Status Undecided, Unconfirmed" should I do?

guessing you haven't seen:
https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/partman/+bug/65493

Carl

On Thu, Oct 12, 2006 at 09:36:00PM -0000, Carl Karsten wrote:
> will do. how much nudging of "Status Undecided, Unconfirmed" should I
> do?

I don't care. I largely ignore those except for packages with large
numbers of bugs.

> guessing you haven't seen:
> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/partman/+bug/65493

Grabbed for installation-guide, thanks.