Install Brasero by default

I also vote for including Brasero in Ubuntu by defaul. Nautilus-burn can not burn on the fly and it has many usability issues. It will be great to replace the nautilus-burn component from nautilus with Brasero.

Right now I have no intensions to push Brasero to main.

Too bad for ubuntu. The Nautilus burn is a joke for most people, especially users who use Nero on windows and want to try ubuntu.

There are real reasons behind my decision, and as I said ... it is for now. I understand that nautilus-cd-burner is a joke. Right now brasero isn't really maintained since both Phillipe and Luis are MIA. However I am after them, and will see what I can do. Given, it has always been my intention to push Brasero forward as it includes libburn & libisofs backend. Newest Brasero 0.5.90 that landed in gutsy has those enabled by default.

I also vote for including Brasero in Ubuntu by defaul. Thanks Mario for doin that.

I agree nautilus-burn is not a fully featured bleeding edge application but please keep in mind that the comparison to windows/nero forgets that nautilus-burn is lightweight, installed by default and perfectly integrates into nautilus. I therefore think it is more importand to hint the user that the application you mention is a great choice like maybe k3b (which is also not installed by default on kde I think, is it?).

K3b is a far better piece of software and I agree with Caspar.

First of all, Brasero has come up a long way. Secondly, to install K3B, you need a number of KDE/Qt libs that don't come up by default in the Gnome-centric system of the default Ubuntu distribution and adding all that can push Ubuntu further than 700 MBs that they are allowed to ship with, because of the LiveCD marketing trick. So IMO, because of that, and because most Gnome users would prefer a GTK-looking app, I prefer Brasero. K3B should manually installed for the default ubuntu, and by default on Kubuntu only where all the needed libs are pre-installed.

I agree with those who think that Brasero should be default burning app not only for Ubuntu but also for GNOME!
It is perfect response for K3b in KDE taking into consideration the differences in philosophy of GNOME and KDE enviornments.

Right now Brasero 0.7 is close to be released it should be around xmas. We start working on a patch to gnome-panel to use G-V-M default burning application to replace the current CD/DVD Creator behavior which is pulling N-B-C. Brasero 0.7 has lots of new features, bug fixes and enhancements. Since now i'm an Ubuntu user and Brasero developer i'm getting my eye on Brasero and cd burning packaging on ubuntu (which was one of my tasks when i was a Gentoo developer). Of course like any other OSS brasero needs to grow up, needs developers, a community and have bugs :). So from now on why use k3b on Gnome when we can improve Brasero which is a Gnome Project.

Brasero will be included by default in Hardy and will replace serpentine. Nautilus-cd-burner will still be included as the default cd burner though.

Nero argument is not serious, as most people don't care about what "ubersuperusers" want to use - they have to install their app themselves. Nautilus CD burner is very easy to use, very good integration, and don't have additional bloat. And no, I don't need "burn on the fly" and other things. I just want to write my CD or DVD.

Including it in default is fine, but Nautilus CD burner should be still default.

I also agree that including brasero in the default ubuntu installation makes a lot of sense since a lot of people will use that kind of program, burning is very popular, but nautilus CD burner is more integrated to ubuntu desktop and it make more sense to keep it the default burning app. However, it's great new that brasero will be shipped! Thanks and great work!

Fixed: Ubuntu-desktop (1.87) now recommends brasero.

Hmm. But Brasero does Data CD burning, Audio CD burning, CD copying and CD Image burning. So when you add Brasero to Ubuntu default, why remove the existing Audio CD burner (serpentine) but leave in the existing data and image burners and CD copier (all built-in to nautilus)? Now there are two ways to do every kind of CD burning except audio. Surely you're going to create confusion?

If Brasero is to be used, it might make more sense to chop out or bypass the various kinds CD burning built-in to nautilus and use brasero for everything.

So for example I think you would want Brasero to open when you insert a blank CD, instead of the current window that pops up asking what type of CD you want to burn.

You would want Brasero to open when you write click on a CD or image file and choose copy or write to disc. Brasero would have to open directly to the CD copy or image-write mode, and with the CD to copy or image to write field already filled in.

And you would want Brasero to launch when you select Places->CD/DVD Creator from Nautilus, or else you want to completely remove that option.

And ofcourse set Brasero as the default burning application in GNOME.

Personally I think it'd be a shame to lose some of the wonderful simplicity offerred by nautilus and serpentine. But it's true that nautilus-cd-burn is a little too simple (no indication of CD size or how much space you have left as you're adding files) and serpentine has a couple of major UI bugs that I've reported that aren't being fixed. If Brasero works better under the hood and is seeing active development then it seems a good choice. Also the point that Windows converts will expect something more advanced that nautilus-cd-burn and serpentine is true, I have seen this first hand many times, and it's a shame that when left to their own devices they always seem to manage to install some ancient pre-GNOME X application instead of something sensible like Brasero or K3b.

I believe that the actual decision is fine because Brasero will automatically ask people if they want to use it as the default application for Data Cd if people try to use it to burn data, people will have the choice! However, for people who just want to drag files to the Cd and burn, it will still be very easy through nautilus burn. We will not change the habits of actual ubuntu users and we'll give them more possibilities by adding brasero as an included burning program. Concerning the Serpentine part, I believe that Serpentine did have bugs and a slow development. Serpentine was great but a bit weak compared to brasero which seems to be a very active and complete project. Nautilus burn and brasero are not exactly the same thing but Serpentine and Brasero works the same way, so it's fine to replace it, IMO.