Mismatched artwork when using both ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop

Vincent, thanks for the comprehensive bug report. I'm sure the problem
comes from having both Ubuntu and Kubuntu desktop metapackages
installed, which means you are running an interesting mix of the two
different platforms. This is a highly unusual configuration, and at this
stage I don't think we can devote resources to tracking it down.

 affects /distros/ubuntu
 status rejected

I'a really sorry, but it isn't such unusual configuratin, AFAIK:
 dpkg -l *desktop*
ii kdeartwork-theme-desktop 3.4.1-0ubuntu4 dummy upgrade package for official KDE desktop themes
ii kdesktop 3.5.1-0ubuntu14 miscellaneous binaries and files for the KDE desktop
ii kubuntu-desktop 0.66 Kubuntu desktop system
ii python-gnome2-desktop 2.14.0-0ubuntu1 Python bindings for the GNOME desktop environment
ii python2.4-gnome2-desktop 2.14.0-0ubuntu1 Python bindings for the GNOME desktop environment
ii rdesktop 1.4.1-1.1 RDP client for Windows NT/2000 Terminal Server
ii ubuntu-desktop 0.102 The Ubuntu desktop system
Result: I HAVE GOT both desktops up and working without any problem

OK. I suspect that what is happening is that Kubuntu is trying to tell
the Gnome apps to render the menus, widgets etc using a Qt lookalike
theme. I don't know that for certain, but I know for example that
OpenOffice gets blue menus if you don't have all the ubuntu packages
installed.

It's gtk2-engines-gtk-qt, most likely. That's still a kubuntu-desktop seed.

You'll need to remove it because it hijacks your Gnome theme. However this is a necessary package to get things like Firefox looking good in KDE, and so should remain in kubuntu-desktop.

If you're installing both -desktop packages, you should be advanced enough to be comfortable removing a package as well.

Maybe we need an autodetection on this to let the user know.

Given that we know the source of the problem, and that there's a known
workaround, I'm marking this bug rejected. In future we will have a
"wontfix" status which will let us say "there's an issue there but we
won't fix it".

We would certainly affect patches to the relevant packages to make sure
that the rendering of menus etc follows the basic desktop decision you
make (I guess that boils down to whether you use the Gnome panel or the
KDE panel, when you have both sets of apps) but that's not something we
will get to in Dapper.

 status rejected

OK, for me it's no problem

Hi everybody,

Since today, or maybe yesterday (I had not been checking for several days), konqueror seems not to launch instead of nautilus, but menus are still blue in any theme I choose. I will ckeck this deeper (I don't know if I can say it like this in english).

If there is another evolution, I will tell you.

Vince

I noticed this behaviour, too and find it very annoying. Actually a lot of people want to use KDE and Gnome in parallel AFAIK, and the easiest and most convenient way (that people until now have been told to use on #ubuntu) is just to install both ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop, this never has caused problems and I don't see why it should.
I recently backed up all important data from my home deleted it and restored the data. After that those side effects were gone, until I started KDE (and I didn't even run a gtk program in KDE to my knowledge).
It also seems that some icons that originate from KDE are used in Gnome if both -desktop packages are installed.
IMO this bug should be at least reported upstream, because whatever is happening, is definitly something that just shouldn't possibly happen.
Also if one can't install kubuntu-dektop in parallel to ubuntu-desktop, is there a metapackage that just installs KDE?

#36256 is also related to this.

I agree with Florian Zeitz.

Not only many Linux users like using both desktops (gnome and kde), but it is important too when you show Linux to somebody who doesn't know it (to show him the two major desktops on Linux).

Vince

One more thing that happen is that OpenOffice.org's icons and menus disappear when moving the mouse. There is not this problem when ubuntu-destop is alone on the computer.

Vince

Please, read the comment I have posted here :

https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/40072/+index

Thank you.

It's me, again...

Ok, thanks to the intervention of Daniele Favara in the bug report number 40072, I have been able to make some tests, and I have observed some interesting things.

Indeed, as I said in my comment about an conflict between kubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop (see here : https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/40072)
It seems that there is conflict between every gtk based desktop environment and qt/kde.

So, he told me "[...] anyway all the problems you can have whit
kubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop installed came from just one file
... to have gtk app looking like qt ones there is a file on your home
dir." (~/gtkrc-2.0), and indeed, the problem was solved by deleting the gtkrc-2.0 file just before logging to xfce.

Then I tested the same thing just before logging into gnome, and everything was solved too !
Icons, menus, everything in gnome was normal (orange, not blue anymore), and openoffice's icons were not disappearing anymore too !

So now, you have a more precise idea of the problem, even if I think you already knew (lol !), but maybe not as this issue has been assigned to the ubuntu-artwork team.
Maybe it should be assigned to the kde/kubuntu team, as this file (~/gtkrc-2.0) is created by kde ?

Vincent (so happy to contribute ! Lol !)

VincentRC: As far as I know, what you are describing is actually Bug #36256, which has been solved. So if this is really the only issue this bug and Bug #40072 should be closed I think.

No, it is absolutly NOT the same issue as Bug #36256, gnome doesn't crash on my computer.

If I don't delete the ~/gtkrc-2.0 file (before logging into gnome or xfce), here is what's happening :

1_ GNOME :

- every gnome themes remain blue (menus, icons)
- openoffice's icons disappear in gnome when you move the mouse
(This is the present bug report)

2_ XFCE :

- impossible to start xfce completely (no menus, no taskbar, nothing on the desktop (just the wallpaper), the mouse moves, but buttons don't do anything)
(This is Bug #40072)

But startkde shouldn't change ~/gtkrc-2.0 if Gnome or XFCE are installed after this bugfix, so this should be fixed...

Florian, I think you haven't read correctly my comments.
This file (~/gtkrc-2.0) is created by kde, so if you delete it just before logging out of kde, it will be ok for gnome and xfce.
But EVERYTIME you log in kde, this file is created again as it is a config file.
So, you face the same problem everytime : you have to delete the file if you want xfce to work or gnome to work better (read previous posts for more precisions).
If you have kubuntu-destop (with dapper, of course) installed on your computer, just install ubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-destop and you will see what happen.

This was exactly my point, KDE shouldn't create the file anymore on log in if Gnome or XFCE are installed (as I understood the bugfix).
I just tried it and you are right that it still does, so probably Bug #36256 isn't really fixed either...

As you might have read the fix for Bug #36256 is now really in the archives. Can you test again, please.

Florian !

I have already told you ! This bug is NOT the same I am describing. SO, I just copy and paste one more time, just for you, the message I have already written five comments above. I wrote this :

"No, it is absolutly NOT the same issue as Bug #36256, as gnome doesn't crash on my computer.

If I don't delete the ~/gtkrc-2.0 file (before logging into gnome or xfce), here is what's happening :

1_ GNOME :

- every gnome themes remain blue (menus, icons)
- openoffice's icons disappear in gnome when you move the mouse
(This is the present bug report)

2_ XFCE :

- impossible to start xfce completely (no menus, no taskbar, nothing on the desktop (just the wallpaper), the mouse moves, but buttons don't do anything)
(This is Bug #40072)"

Please, could you read correctly want I'm writting. I cannot be more precise and one more time, this is NOT the same bug as Bug #36256. If you take the time to compare what I am describing and Bug #36256 you will see that it is NOT the same thing.

Vincent

Wow, I have never met someone that ignorant...
Despite the fact that the symptoms of this bug reports are not the same they both are caused by the existance of the .gtkrc-2.0 file in your home directory which has been copied from /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/.
This file is not copied anymore as of kdebase 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu18, so all problems you list in your quote should be (and are on my system) fixed.
I don't know about Bug #35254 as I can't reproduce it.

Vincent: After deleting the .gtkrc-2.0 file, is it recreated or alternatively, is the problem gone so that we can close the bug?

Martin : I have checked what you asked me and the file is not created anymore. I had not been checking for two days, I was just answering Florian.
So, in my case, you can close this bug.

Florian : Concerning Bug #35254, I have not mentioned it those last days, as I had posted a comment (at 2006-03-27 22:47:51) you can see here that says it wasn't happening anymore (about konqueror launching instead of nautilus).

So, those last days, I was just talking about xfce and gnome's and openoffice's (in gnome) icons... Anyway.

However, I apologize, Florian, for have been unpleasant with you. I should have been more patient.

Vincent

This has been fixed as indicated by original reporter