Locale es_MX doesn't have "t_fmt_ampm" and "am_pm" defined

This bug was fixed in the package langpack-locales - 2.7.9-1

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langpack-locales (2.7.9-1) hardy; urgency=low

  * Synchronize to locales data from glibc 2.7-9.
    - Now includes pl_PL_dateformat.patch, drop patch.
    - Fixes pt_PT monetary decimal point. (LP: #111791)
    - Fixes pl_PL date format. (LP: #184405)
    - Adds AM/PM for es_VE. (LP: #119645)
  * Tag our remaining patches.
  * Add debian/patches/en_IE-am_pm.patch: Add AM/PM definition for en_IE.
    (LP: #199899)
  * Add debian/patches/eo_US.patch: Add eo_US locale, thanks to David
    Mandelberg. (LP: #1918)
  * Add debian/patches/es-am_pm.patch: Add AM/PM defintion for es_ES
    (LP: #51255) and es_MX (LP: #106381)
  * Add debian/patches/es_CR-first-weekday.patch: Fix first weekday and
    workday for es_CR. (LP: #149007)
  * Add debian/patches/en_AU-first-weekday.patch: Fix first weekday and
    workday for en_AU. (LP: #192507)

 -- Martin Pitt <email address hidden> Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:10:48 +0100

Can someone please provide some third-party evidence that the AM/PM format is actually relevant and used in Spain? Upstream is hesitant to apply these fixes without further evidence. If possible, please answer directly to http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=5910. Thank you!

24-hour format is absolutely much more used than AM/PM format in Spain. 24-hour format is the default format upstream, and so in the previous Ubuntu releases until Hardy. See bug 202611.

Sorry!, the above bug report number must say: bug 202661.

I will pull the patch from locales again, see bug 202661. This should instead become an option in the panel (using 12 hour format for the clock), see bug 51255.

I don't know why Spain and Mexico keep getting tied to the same locale issue. Spain uses other conventions than Mexico and other Latin American countries. They were right in filling the bug where states that they use 24 hour clock convention, and as far as I know, Chile and Ecuador use it too. As for the other Spanish speaking countries I am pretty sure they use 12 hour clock convention.

I am from Mexico and can say 24 hour clock is pretty annoying, it is only used in military, political or very formal backgrounds. But for regular use the 12 hour clock is what everyone uses and should have, at least as an option!!!

I couldn't agree more with Alejandro (Comment #42) about everything and how ridiculous it is for someone in the community that takes the time, wants to help and lives and has the knowledge of his own country conventions having to convince and prove Ubuntu programmers and maintainers that what he is saying is true!

Anyway, for the happiness and peace of mind of the maintainers, here it goes:

1. Cinepolis (One of the largest movie theater chains in Mexico):
http://www.cinepolis.com.mx/indexmx.asp

2. Mexican Government Citizens Portal:
http://www.gob.mx/wb/egobierno/temas

3. El Universal (One of the most important Mexican newspapers):
http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/noticias.html

4. Screen shot of certain operaiting system getting it right (By the way, they have the best localization and translations I have seen)

Furthermore, what applies to all Spanish speaking countries, as stated by the Real Academia Española (Official Royal Institution responsible for regulating the Spanish language http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Academia_Espa%C3%B1ola) is the correct abbreviation in lowercase a.m. and p.m. as opposed to English language.

Again, here is the hard proof:

http://buscon.rae.es/dpdI/apendices/apendice2.html
http://esl.proz.com/kudoz/english_to_spanish/general_conversation_greetings_letters/2167232-am_pm_am_pm.html

Mauricio

Mauricio, the bug is not in the langpack. As Martin said, this should become an option in the panel. See bug #51255 for details.

(I marked this as Invalid because I can't re-set it to "Won't Fix".

es_MX still lacks the a.m. / p.m. And we don't use gnome-panel anymore.

And es_MX use first_weekday = 1 too

I'm Mexican and I send you the patch for fix the es_MX file

The attachment "es_MX.patch" seems to be a patch. If it isn't, please remove the "patch" flag from the attachment, remove the "patch" tag, and if you are a member of the ~ubuntu-reviewers, unsubscribe the team.

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@Dan Jared: the patch contains unrelated changes: for example, the thousand separator is modified, but that is not related to this bug report (which only deals with defining a.m./p.m.) nor does it abide to RAE/ASALE rules, which state that the thousands separator should be a no-break space instead of a comma or a dot (see Fundéu as well). Please limit the patch to just what is being requested here.

I let go, but I send the patch alone with the pending values ​​defined

Hi Dan,

Thanks for your patches. I'll be happy to help you get the am/pm thing into the Ubuntu archive, if you do the following:

1. File an upstream bug. The locale definitions in Ubuntu origin from glibc, and we don't usually modify them without at least trying to have the changes applied upstream.

https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi?product=glibc&component=localedata

2. In the upstream bug report, please provide some kind of evidence that the am/pm time format is in use in written Spanish in Mexico. It could be links to e.g. governmental sites or major news sites. (There are some old links in comment #6 above, but they are either broken or don't support 'the case'.)

Bug #1288843, which is similar to this one, was fixed that way.

TIA